[ANSS-netops] Verizon - Important information about transition to IPv6

Christopher Bruton cpbruton at gps.caltech.edu
Fri Mar 10 21:39:06 UTC 2017


Hi Doug,

For our field endpoint routers we have been installing the Mikrotik RB750r2
(the "hEX lite"). I also worked extensively with its predecessor, the
RB750, in Alaska. For our endpoints at Caltech we are using the Mikrotik
CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+. This is part of their higher-end "Cloud Core Router"
line. I have been very happy with both models. There is definitely a
learning curve for the RouterOS software, and documentation and examples
are not nearly as available as Cisco, for example.

I haven't really worked with the Cisco RV042, though at first look it does
at least have IPv6 support.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 10:46 AM Doug Neuhauser <doug at seismo.berkeley.edu>
wrote:

> Chris,
> Thanks for the info.  I'll get an IPV4 provisioned cell modem
> and try this out.  AFAIK, UCB has IPV6 support, although I have
> not yet used this.
>
> The other question will be whether the Cisco RV042 VPN routers can
> do this mix of IPV6 enpoints and IPV4 phase2 policies, or whether
> I need a different central site router.
>
> I think you are using Multitik routers.  If so, what models do you
> use for central site and end points?  Are you happy with them?
>
> - Doug N
>
>
> On 03/10/2017 10:35 AM, Christopher Bruton wrote:
> > Hi Doug,
> > I have not tested this yet but I believe it is possible. You would
> > define your phase1 peers with their IPv6 addresses, then define your
> > phase2 policies to tunnel your IPv4 networks. We want to get our
> > hands on an IPv6-addressed cell modem so we can test stuff like this.
> > It's also complicated by the fact that Caltech has no plans to
> > support IPv6 in the foreseeable future, so we will have to rely on
> > third-party providers for our IPv6 access.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 10:18 AM Doug Neuhauser <
> doug at seismo.berkeley.edu <mailto:doug at seismo.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >     Chris,
> >
> >     At the BSL we are currently using IPSEC VPN tunnels between a cell
> modem
> >     router at our seismic sites and a central site router.
> >
> >     If our acquistion system also wants to remain in IPV4 address space,
> >     can the IPSEC VPN tunnels between the 2 public IPV6 addresses of the
> routers
> >     be defined to tunnel IPV4?  IE can you define an tunnel for IPV4
> >     traffic using IPV6 endpoints?  Or is this done by doing NAT on both
> ends?
> >
> >     Let me know if my question is not clear.
> >     Thanks.
> >     - Doug N
> >
> >     --
> >
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> >     From: Christopher Bruton <cpbruton at gps.caltech.edu <mailto:
> cpbruton at gps.caltech.edu>>
> >     To: "Meremonte, Mark" <mmeremonte at usbr.gov <mailto:
> mmeremonte at usbr.gov>>, "Croker, David" <croker at usgs.gov <mailto:
> croker at usgs.gov>>
> >     Cc: NetOps <anss-netops at geohazards.usgs.gov <mailto:
> anss-netops at geohazards.usgs.gov>>
> >     Bcc:
> >     Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 18:07:34 +0000
> >     Subject: Re: [ANSS-netops] Verizon - Important information about
> transition to IPv6
> >     Mark, that is exactly right. Routers, modems, and other IPv6-enabled
> equipment should generally be able to translate public IPv6 addresses to
> private IPv4 addresses. I've attached an example diagram showing how an
> IPv6-addressed acquisition server could connect to an IPv4-only datalogger
> behind an IPv6-addressed cell modem. One could imagine similar NAT taking
> place on the seismo lab side if the acquisition server itself does not
> support IPv6.
> >
> >     IPv6 NAT Example.png
> >
> >     Caltech has been working on adding VPNs to our field data
> connections - this would be an alternative to using NAT. The public VPN
> endpoints may have IPv6 addresses, but they connect two IPv4 networks
> together. So neither the acquisition server nor the datalogger need to
> support IPv6.
> >
> >
> >
> >     On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 11:05 AM Meremonte, Mark <mmeremonte at usbr.gov
> <mailto:mmeremonte at usbr.gov>> wrote:
> >
> >         Hi Dave et al,
> >
> >         What about the case where use private IP side of cell modem to
> interface with logger using the IPv4 while the public side uses the IPv6?
> I do not think the private side will require the IPv6.
> >
> >         Then there are those who use data acquisition system such as EW
> that does not currently support IPv6.  But Paul Friberg has recently sent
> out notice that ISTI is working with USGS to support IPv6 in EW 8.0; but no
> time line for this completion as of yet.
> >
> >         Is it possible for DMZ servers (public - intranet interface) to
> have ability to translate a public IPv6 to an intranet IPv4 to interface
> with data acquisition software that does not support IPv6?
> >
> >         Mark
> >
> >         *********************************************************
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> >
> >         On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Croker, David <croker at usgs.gov
> <mailto:croker at usgs.gov>> wrote:
> >
> >             Just in case you didn't get the memo.
> >
> >             As Jeff Brody in Menlo says,
> >             "
> >             Receiving data from instruments connected to v6-addressed
> modems will require these systems to also have v6 addresses.
> >
> >             It may be helpful to get a cell modem configured with a v6
> address, as soon as possible, to start working on end-to-end connectivity.
> USGS Menlo campus only has v6 addresses available for DMZ systems.
> Expected to be supported campus-wide later this year.
> >
> >             An example v6 address:  2001:4888:8002:3007:a0:d:0:4
> >             "
> >
> >             Dave
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